I often see on the gun blogs, the gun tuber videos and various articles around, people claiming, “out of the box performance.” But then they will describe how they disassemble, lubricate, unmount/remount the red dot/torque it to spec, center the iron sights with a set of calipers, and then laser bore sight the red dot…all of this occurs before they ever fire a shot on the range or in the field.

That’s all great, but that isn’t really, “out of the box,” performance…is it? I decided to do something slightly unusual, considering how meticulous most training nerds are and obtain a new pistol, DO NOTHING TO IT, load the magazines and then enter into my weekly practical pistol match (50 rounds) at my local range.

The SIG P365X with the Romeo Zero Enclosed RDS on top, and the SIG P365 original (NRA Edition) at the bottom that I have had for nearly five years now, and I wrote sometime about (see here) as the practical replacement for the J frame. This is WA, so both guns run off of 10 round magazines (albeit different lengths).

The weekly match consists of 5 strings of fire, all ten rounds in length, with turning targets. You have an interval of time, usually between 8 and 12 seconds, to fire ten rounds at the target, which can be at any distance between 5 and 25 yards. On the course of fire I performed this experiment on, the distance was from 7 to 18 yards (21 to 54 feet).

Using CCI Blazer Brass 115 grain FMJ, I loaded fifty rounds into my magazines and holstered, using a DARK STAR GEAR Hitchhiker that I have used since I purchased my original P365. I reloaded from the bench with my spare mags, as there were no reloads on the clock. The first string was at 18 yards, firing ten rounds in 12 seconds, from the draw. On the turn I drew and fired 10 rounds. I had the RDS in its factory configuration, meaning I left it alone. (I didn’t dial the elevation or windage AT ALL. MOST optics companies tell you that the RDS comes centered from the factory. I don’t necessarily think that is true…as I’ve seen some that needed pretty stark adjustments, even when I knew the iron sights were regulated and dead center. Your experience will vary from mine!). I noticed my rounds at 18 yards were striking low and to the left. So the last 2 I fired I used Kentucky Windage to adjust the last two shots closer to the X ring. As the range to the target decreased, the distance to the X ring decreased as well, although the shots were still going low and left. So as before, I noticed this and fired the second half of the string, as best as I could count under time pressure, to adjust for the point-of-aim and point-of-impact discrepancy. On the stages that were at 10 and 7 yards, the POA and POI was coincidental with the dot, meaning I didn’t have to do any compensatory aiming to make up for the difference in impact.

448/500. Dropped a lot of points in that 6, 7 and 8 ring. That’s ok though… that’s still earning 89% of the available points with all 50 rounds accounted for. I usually shoot my M&P 2.0 Metal with a ZEROED (@ 25 yards) Holosun SCS direct mount, and I typically shoot in the neighborhood of 475-490 most nights. So this, a minor degradation in performance, with a smaller gun, that recoils a bit more aggressively than a full size gun, well, I’ll take it! If/when I actually zero this thing, I think it’ll make a big difference and allow me to shoot scores that are comparable to the FS gun.
I couldn’t help myself…leaving the range with a gun that has accuracy potential that is unachieved, seemed silly. So I had a box of Barnes TAC XP that my buddy Rick Remington gave me, and I fired a group at 10 yards to dial in the windage and elevation a bit more. And then I test fired two groups at 5 yards to see exactly where it’s sending them. I realized that upon closer inspection, while the front sight is centered on the slide, the rear sight is not. I bumped it over with my brass punch and mallet when I got home. More work will be done before I deem this pistol to be used for more competition and everyday carry use. But it definitely has potential!

CONCLUSION

Truth of the matter is, most gun owners don’t do what we in the training and competition community do. They don’t obsess about details and they don’t preoccupy themselves with inconsequential increments (to quote the late, great Colonel Jeff Cooper). They simply buy a gun, if it comes with two mags, great. That’s what they have. They put some ammo, without much discernment aside from price, and they load the gun, and there it sits. If and when they do shoot it, they don’t necessarily notice the off center sights, nor the not zeroed RDS, or the change in point of impact from a change in ammo or even in the quality of the ammo. For example, the range I shoot at also manufactures reloaded ammunition, and I’ve seen WILD inconsistencies in it from box to box. So much so that I don’t use it for anything other than 15 yard and in practice. I know that…the average gun buyer usually thinks a round is a round is a round.

Like I stated earlier, most people outside the training and competition fields have little or no interest in, “Preoccupation with inconsequential increments.” But since we do, charging into a match or even (GASP) holstering a gun for duty/concealed carry/home defense use that is unproven/not zeroed/POA-POI coincidence with the duty load proven IS NOT something that would even occur to us. That’s not to say that we are better than them or any kind of moral judgement either. Many people see guns just like they see a hammer they buy at Harbor Freight…it has features? You can adjust the red dot thingy? The magazines might have to have the last three rounds pushed into them VERY vigorously? While these all seem simple to experienced people, most regular folks have no idea that many of these concepts and ideas exist. This is why training is so important…it is literally the thing that separates the literate from the functionally inert.

THANK YOU FOR READING and stay tuned for more P365 fun. I have a Macro and a FUSE that I will be doing some work with, along with easily changeable parts like sights, optics and grip frames for the 365’s. These just might be THE pistol for the concealed carry in today’s modern age. We shall see.

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